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Content creator Asmongold finally got the chance to stream his first impressions of MMO Ashes of Creation in its long-awaited Alpha 2 phase. Unfortunately, things did not go so well prompting a lot of discussion and debate. Do streamers deserve special privilege? Where’s the line between PvP and griefing? Should the Stream Snipers be banned? Why has there been so much negative feedback on the new player experience and how should PvP be limited in the starter zone? Today we dissect the drama with Asmongold after a lot of community outrage and after Creative Director Steven Sharif sat down with PirateSoftware. This video was originally addressing that AOC is not a gank box so the timing was interesting.
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Comment your thoughts and debate below. I will read through these in stream.
As I mentioned, a PvP Suppression zone is planned for and can be as soon as next weekend
(Also. Surely it wasn’t an editing error. I said it twice for emphasis 😏)
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if this game wants to take off the community and devs need to handle trolls like that really fast or they will cause the game and community to do one of two things:
1) Push away potential customers as that was not ganking that was griefing and we all know it!! anyone saying otherwise is a lier..
PvP in a MMO was never a good idea to begin with…us OG players knew it was bad because it would cause numerous problems (balancing,griefing, ect.) down the road…Guess what…we were right….
2) As the saying goes, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." What happened in the video is the problem with PvPs in a Modern MMORPG: no one has learned from past mistakes and is just repeating them.
I do understand PvP and how much fun it is when it's appropriate, but ganking just to gank or being a troll should be punishing enough to where it discourages those people. but having a bad day and what not is not an excuse to being a troll. having a bad day? don't play!!! play something else that lets that frustration out in a more constructive way..
and besides alot of trolls who play games like this are cheaters to begin with…
this is why games have a pvp on or off option
was really looking forward for AoC, became kinda sad about those limited cosmetics that were sold even before the game started, now this whole pvp only situation its a no-go for me, I hope the game reaches success, I guess ill be waiting on another mmorpg in the near future! prayge eheh
What a stupid take from Steven. People who are ultimately responsible for the behavior of the players and what the players can do in the game are the developers. Steven, its your responsibility to design the game so that players can explore the game as they are without needing to worry about your imaginary community. NEVER NEVER NEVER punish players for doing things in the game that you designed to be possible. Its a woke mentality to expect certain behavior from people.
As a long time, mmo enjoyer my opinion is non concentiual pvp KILLS mmos. There must be a PVE server with optional pvp choice. If not, Ashes of Creation will be a niche game.
Whatever they decide to do, there should never be preferential treatment.
is it freetoplay becouse game looks like shit
yeah, im not gonna be playing this… Ive experience this in several games years ago… download a game start playing, got gank as soon as I leave safe zone, died couple times and uninstall the game…
getting killed out of nowhere is not fun in any context and this game will remain a niche pvp game as it is design to be
Who the hell said i wanted the obnoxious, mentally deficient, degenerate, terminally attention starved viewers that asmongold has?
They were obnoxious during classic WoW enough to where i changed to a non-streamer server, had a great time.
Ill play a low pop MMO any day of the week if its good enough.
Streamers aren't the end all be all for advertising , that idea needs to wither and die much like the popularity of most of these "Influencers".
Besides that im unaware of another game outside of maybe UO that allows people to kill fresh newbies right out the gate, thats just bad/lazy design.
I think even Mortal Online 2 didnt have PVP right off the clip did it? (have only played MO1)
With that said, they should be focusing on balancing and making changes based on what the LONG TERM PLAYERS AND BACKERS WANT, NOT what some random ass popular streamer who uses games like a condom wants.
I bet those are the typical "good" people trying to gank him.
This game looks like dog sh1t
It wasn't a good idea to not mention why PVP is enabled always in this game, except for the 3 reasons that Steven quickly lists in that one clip. Asmon, and everyone in his chat, while reacting to this video, basically wrote off the game indefinitely because the only reason they see that PVP would always be enabled, is simply to ruin other players time who don't want to PVP.
Well, if he had 30 players following him around then why didn't they help him? I'm sure 30 versus 1 is no match. However, I can see the issue with these streamers with a large following joining games. With the systems in place, what would stop him from dominating a server with his followers if he were to get a foothold?
I wont be getting AoC anymore, i had hesitations due to previous time spent in EVE online, but I dont need my time wasted by someone just wanting to be a dick.
Through multiple weekends of Alpha 2 the PVP has been lacking. When fighting, groups will find any workaround to not fight, such as leaving their guild during a war declaration. This game needed to severely BUFF PVP and encourage MORE PVP but this incident will do the exact opposite unfortunately. AOC Devs should include more late game pvp options – organized guild fights or arenas.
"There is a somewhat intricate corruption system" What? Its simplistic and does none of what it is supposed to because Steven and his team don't understand how to design it.
this game gonna flop hard
Is this the experience they're offering? Well, I hope they enjoy it then. My money has better games to buy, where I won't be grieved. Though, remember no PvP MMORPG has ever survived. Even wow dropped the PvP from the main content. This is a bad business model.
They just need guards (NPC) not carebear zones.
Let's get it right. If it wasn't Asmongold, nothing would have been done, lol
They need to implement the same pvp as other MMOs have. Safe zones in cities and everywhere else is fair game, but killing multiple times on any character on the same account can result in you losing a lot more when you die. It turns the PVP'ers into the targets as it lets people know when they've attacked and killed more often
I will try the game but not until the ridiculous price drops and if it's gonna be that high then no I won't play it if it's a sub based sure I don't mind but I won't be a player that will start paying sky high for games even though I can afford it :þ
Regardless of the stream griefers, its incredibly dumb to have PVP enabled in starter zones!
Couldn't someone bring a low level to a guild war and make the opposing guild lose more inventory
Is this game going to be forced PvP? I hate games that do that because it just ends up being overrun by griefers and hoard guilds.
it isn't really a debate, once the actual servers are up this type of thing will slow down. The game looks to be a slow grind, the amount of griefers that will throw away hundreds of hours to annoy someone is low. It isn't 0 but it is low