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Steven finally updated the Ashes community with suspending/banning players from the Alpha 2 play test due to exploiting/bug abusing in Ashes of Creation. Now, we all know we are supposed to find bugs and exploits in the game cause THIS IS A TEST however, those players did those exploits and bug abuses so much (100s of times over for hours and hours) to get a competitive advantage in the game. Breaking the ToS and tainting the data from this test is not good for the players or Intrepid. Really glad they finally addressed it and got those players out of the test. Was it enough to scare exploiters in the future? Well, let’s get into it!
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I am happy they did something regarding the exploits that were happening at the start of phase II. Were they enough? I don't think so but what are your thoughts? Do you think this was enough for people in the future to not exploit or bug abuse in Ashes of Creation? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks for the support in the streams and watching my content =)
Banning people for dev's fuck ups?
There has been a huge need for serious criteria clarification since the beginning. He need only say, find it, report it and do not repeat it. Be very clear. He seems to be dancing on a line at the moment.
Steven is a kind God.
I wouldn't have been, because people know exactly what they're doing.
My opinion is that this was great for the anti-toxic chat stuff that was going on. It was pathetically weak against cheaters and will not deter any of them from doing it again the moment they get back in. I'm sitting here looking at the server and seeing Yokkai retaining his mayorship when he has been repeatedly caught blatantly exploiting, meaning he has neither been suspended nor banned. This means being PI makes you immune to real discipline. They paid their way to that position. Hence PI = P2W. If adjustments don't happen tot he server itself as well, the cheaters and their guilds will have not lost any of the massive benefits they gained through their behavior. Any "3 strikes you're out rule" is a direct contradiction to everything Steven has been talking up for months. As of now, this looks soft af and is extremely disappointing. There is a slight chance that the rest of the adjustments that he referenced being done by Tuesday will be enough to tip the scales, but for now? Weak. Weak af. EDIT: Steven specifically stated in one of his streams that the elevation thing is an exploit. He stated as much in Phase 1 with the whole EPH thing. Very clearly stated. there is no question here. People are falling for the cheater's spin campaign. Sadge.
Yeah, they should have called it a "suspension" not a "ban".
I feel like Steven is really Bad about his "sales weasel verbiage" practices. I also "feel like" he'd be the "Rules Lawyer" in TTRPGs. LOL
But, yeah, only hate was outright banned.
Meanwhile Exploiters are pretty much "contrite when caught", until "tempted" again. It's NEVER their fault.
But IMHO, this is not enough.
After This, "First Time Every Time" is what should happen.
Pretend it's LIVE now.
Find something? Report it and STOP DOING IT. LOL
It was not enough, in my opinion. But I do understand it. This is the official warning for everyone that it will not be tolerated in the future. I ecpevt much harsher penalties going forward.
People are mad at exploiters because they truly think it's morally wrong or because they know that this "alpha" is the actual tentative release
Personal opinion, I believe that the number was so low, and duping was not specifically mentioned because they most likely know who is doing it, and are watching these accounts closely to 1. figure out how they are doing it 2. who is accepting or asking for these items and 3. determining the punishments/ preparing all the accounts associated for said punishment. Heres to hoping.
My 2 cents on this is that this is blend and weak. Multiple guild on The EU side have send in proof about certain individuals on different occasions. They are still happily grieving around right now. On the topic of grieving i feel like they only went for the exploits and are kinda accepting the toxic Riot/Blizz mentality
The 83 account resets are no doubt players that funneled funds / gear to alts on their account thus the only way to undo the exploiting was a complete reset of their accounts.
Bottom line is that until Wednesday players still have no idea what IS and IS NOT an exploit in Steven's eyes. Only then will players see who is NOT banned and know what is allowed.
Hopefully a more heavy-handed approach continues into the future because if the punishment isn't harsh enough these people will just keep doing it
I never heard anything about dupes this phase. It was all exploits to level/gear faster that i had heard. We will see when all the actions have been taken if those people in vids exploiting are still around.
this was a start, but not enough. a slap on the wrist.
idea… have heard of other games doing this: Exploiters are finding exploits (some say to justify it). Banish those caught exploiting to the "EXPLOITERS ONLY" server…
Banning people in an alpha for exploiting or abusing bugs .. is kinda of stupid if you don't want bugs and exploits being abused then release a full game without bugs 😂.. suspension for not reporting said bug sounds more reasonable
griefing is not an exploit, it’s just being a butthead and is not illegal.
I think they did the right thing at the appropriate level.
Assuming the scale of accounts in Alpha those numbers feel way off. And the punishments are way too gentle. Assuming they have the number of testers they state they should be fine with harsher punishments.
My friend just got his account banned for RMT (not AoC). He is 2/3 ways back on a new character in a few days using RMT again.
Hope Steven "sharpens" his ban hammer before full release.
Nothing wrong with finding the bug, the problem comes when you dupe to get ahead. You report it because soon it going to be known eventually. So it’s stupid.i kind of want to climb in, but these games are genuinely almost impossible to catchup with higher player. That worries me.
But this is alpha. Why the fk are they banning people who are exploiting? That is the whole point of Alphas. Why is this being teeated like it's a released game? Yeh this Steven guy is extremely sus. Also, you idiots gettingad at exploiters during alphas are also morons. The exploiters are the real heroes that will make the game better if the devs cared about stability. Most of the alphas "testers" probably hasn't done shit to report any issues.
I will say it again, p2w did not kill EVE, it was the devs thinking the guys in-game they were playing with were "their friends" and letting them go without an action when they broke TOS.
I fear that if nothing is truly done to win over the active tester-player base, then it's going to be a scenario in which it's a battle of "Exploiter Vs. Exploiter" leaving every non-abuser in the dust as well as alienating them from the Alpha. If that happens, i think testers are going to fall off considerably, leaving behind only abusers.