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In this video, I discuss two very different games with a LOT in common behind the scenes: Star Citizen and Ashes of Creation. I want to provide some context as to the wider community’s approach to these games, why Star Citizen is often called a scam and Ashes of Creation isn’t, and how the usual self-interested, grifting YouTube “influencers” do the bidding of billionaires to line their own pockets.
Let me know what you think in the comments, I can’t wait!
Link To Original Audio: https://youtu.be/SwSoJnjQ25o
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00:00 Introduction
04:28 Ashes of Creation
05:30 Buzzcutpsycho vs Steven
09:45 Games Are Not Cheap
12:14 Which Is Better?
14:09 Conclusion
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Pirate Software took a huge piss on SC, but when the time came to show how moral and pro-consumer he is as the creator of a live service game, he started criticizing the "Stop Killing Games" initiative in a rather intellectually dishonest way.
I don't see link to the full video in description brovva
Hasnt been proven to be scam citizen… yet. (Though its not far from it). It being a scam being a discussion similar to whether MLM schemes are scams. It is store citizen though
The MLM scheme comparison fits in a lot of ways if you’ve interacted with someone deep into an MLM compared to white knights.
Would have never given SC money had i not been sold on it by a guildmate and just trusted him instead of looking into it. My idiot moment.
Your hit on “modern gamers” falls flat, even if there are (and there are) disses earned by the younger generations, when you consider the average age of SC players. Also weakens your argument when you tell us how much youve put into the 2 notorious potential scam games 😅. Idiot moments
Star Citizen looks like a massive scam to me. I don't think they are mismanaging the project cuz they are incompetent, but cuz its on purpose so none can call them out for their bs. Why would they even release the game now if they can just sell a promise and get funds from dumb supporters. All they need to do is to add useless features none ever asked for instead of releasing the game.
Good critique sir. Its unfortunate that the level of discourse is so low it mirrors food fights at a school yard lunch. But there are still sane people out there. They just aren't wasting their breath on these conversations. As for Asmongold and Pirate Software, I blows my mind anyone would listen to these cretons. My guess is YouTube artificially inflates their views to get more people to watch them. As their opinions are the sanctioned and preferred by the powers that be.
Im losing interest in video games entirely lately. The number of downsides are getting far greater than the number of upsides. You have to endure a ton of stress just to have some good old fun
I just added the link to the original audio in the description. Sorry for that!
https://youtu.be/SwSoJnjQ25o
There is no way when you look at the textures, artwork and improved performance in 3.23 you can say it’s a scam. I remember when I got 1-2 frames per second 7 years ago and thought it would never be what it is now.
Yes, I am a concierge slug who believes in the dream that Star Citizen can be so much more. It has all the capacity to be great but everything hinges on server meshing. Until that happens and they achieve server stability we can only dream.
I tell people to not play it and $40 for a starter ship but don’t expect much or just do the freefly events. Don’t get sucked into the fantasy that I did, joys of being a dreamer.
Modern gamers are the worst consumers' hands down, though your right cinema audiences are also pretty terrible these days.
Lord take me back to better times before micro transactions and season passes. Before early access and whatever you call paying for the privlage to beta test something.
THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS?!!! And people call SC a scam?
SC is similar to a scam in that the features stated in the “funding goals” cannot feasibly be delivered using only existing funding, and that features outside of those goals have been developed using the existing funds prior to delivery of those “funding goals” features. The reliance on new backers (or funding streams) for any hope of delivery of promised features is what makes it most similar to a scam.
Sorry bro, the count was at 69, but I had to like your video. o7
They keep raising millions and millions and always delaying everything, where is squadron 42? They said was done and gonna focus on star citizen, I cancelled my subscription last month, I invested 3500 usd in this game for some is not much, for me is a lot and I am done with that
Spot on, bro. I'm 7k into SC and still hoping and dreaming of that game I've always wanted to play; at this rate, I'm 57, and I'll be leaving my account to my grandson in my will! 0_o, it is almost embarrassing to say I fell for it, but I am still on the Hope train!
Sue Robert’s..
"Think of how stupid the average gamer is. Half of them are stupider than that."
AoC is weird to me. It seems like just another fantasy MMO, of which there are plenty(and I play already) star citizen is in a niche that hasn't seen a new release for over a decade. And really, the game star citizen is trying to become has never been made. If AoC actually released I would certainly give it a go, but it honestly surprises me that it's still afloat at this point. Star citizen has really nailed the business model. If you just log in and play you can get everything for $45. And it's not unreasonable and ridiculous like war thunder to go ftp. It's tangible and quite easy to buy all the ships in the game if you know what you are doing. Once wipes are a thing of the past, I don't see myself ever pledging again(except for cosmetics perhaps). Which is why the 'sc is a scam' retards make no sense. The game is there, playable, tangible, and it's dirt cheap to get into. Hell it's free if you catch it on certain months. But either side of SC is ridiculous. The white night realism shitters on the forums and the scam citizen drones are both equally tired. I suppose this is what you get for having the largest budget for a game ever.
The long march never ends. Many have marched. Many more have fallen. But the march never ends.
I could've sworn you had gotten a refund from AoC back in the day. Learning that you got to yell at Steven is so much more hilarious however.
The thing is why SC is heavily criticized by the "game journalists" has a lot to do with…..control. This is why Game Journalism is always never pro-consumer its against the very people they should serve (sounds like actual journalism to be frank). Then again real game journalism was pushed out by poly-sci grads who failed to get a job with a NGO, a US congressional member, the DNC/RNC and media at large. So they settled into what one would call the "low hanging fruit" only to find out that the industry was a untapped goldmine. Mind you games journalism didnt get this bad until somewhere around 2007-2008.
What I am getting at is that the industry at large is perfectly fine playing the gate keeper when you stray off the path. That is take money from investors (Black Rock, Fidelity, Vanguard…the usual's)…. give access to publications (IGN, Polygon, Kutaku) and best of all virtue signal. While its weird that SC has done the virtue signaling every year. They still get their reputation kicked in because they do not follow the other two.
I cannot speak much about AOC because of how much of a shit show the testing was at the start and how quiet they have gone recently. However if they are getting kid glove treatment from game journos its probably because they got desperate enough that they needed a investor…and said investor directed the usual people to talk them up.
Investors put money in, pay news to hype product….hype product gets buy in from smaller investors/consumers….the investor cashes out….the product fails…the consumer/small investor is left holding the bag. Wash, Rinse and repeat… that's pretty much the investor cycle we have currently…and its all legal.
3k is the money most people can save by buying groceries instead of doordash over a month.
Bro who are these paid actors in star marine that don't even equip armor. When I queue in EU I meet Kabacka, Hannah, Nox and all the other sweats while you get to seal club all day.
You're a breath of fresh air, thank you, have a sub.
To be honest calling SC a scam is completely and factually wrong it's a completely ignorant take if they haven't played the game or a completely braindead one if they have, imo if someone says something objectively wrong about something he doesn't have enough experience on doesn't mean he's stupid but if he does have enough experience on then agreed he is stupid, that being said SC is not all sunshine and rainbows, they haven't "just made a litttle whoopsie mistake" like you seem to be saying we're talking about repeated lies to string people along and missing almost every deadline they put to themselves, announcements they knew they could never fullfill in the amount of time they said they would, for example take Maelstrom, let's be honest they said it was coming in 2024 and there's absolutely no way it does and I'm pretty sure they do too however they can't just say that we will be getting scraps in the coming year either, it's indeed a tricky situation, SC and the devs have to lie about being able to deliver something on schedule all the time otherwise they won't be able to deliver at all, I do think it is greatly mismanaged though and that is undeniable, a little backlash was warranted for the delay (and besides it will probably be delayed again to Q3 or Q4 2025 if we're being real for a second)
I think most people see SC as a scam more is because its been in "development" longer than the average marriage and did screw over all the primary backers by paying out the investors with backer money also making promises he never attempted to keep. Honestly if it was not as successful at it is at raising money then it would most likely be out now but i have more faith in his kids getting the company after he passes and then selling it off to a development company that wraps it up and releases rather than chris doing it.
I think Star Citizen would greatly benefit if it went on Physics Engine along with the ability to Build your own spaceship & with good level design/ sound design in mind. Zero – G combat & more interactive environment with some 3rd person stuff. A good survival with fun combqt & interactive crafting/ travel
I'm very confused about the personal attacks on Pirate Software. What exactly did he do to be called a furry (to be fair, how is this even seen as negative anymore unless you're stuck in the 2010s internet), predator, and disgusting?
Only buy finished products.
This is a great video, very sane approach. Heard about Ashes of Creation for the first time from you now plus the full qa, but i tbh the battle royale story does add up if they primarily want to test combat interactions while the servers are loaded with 200 players, basically their arena commander. Because servers are expensive they probably didn't want players to idle studying the skilltree, which they would do ingame even with resources available, so a "here's your dude, go fight" mode had to do. I assume for a MMO they won't need a big playerbase for most mechanics like questing or mobs, those probably can be tested solo, to be tested in beta.
I haven't found the weasel in the shop though, maybe i don't get shown everything when not logged in, so i can't tell by what they sell. Anyway, I'd give them atleast until beta or whatever their next test is. It's way easier to judge intent from a diff than a absolute.
Great channel 10/10 raspberries.